BtVS issue 11spoilery specs

[moscow_watcher]

I finally read issue 11. Don't have ideas for a review, but here are some spoilery speculations.

1. Twilight's identity.

He's somebody we know. Story-wise, there is no need to hide a face and to change a voice (I was told that "funny" font he uses means he distorts his voice) unless you're afraid to be recognized.

Who is he? So far the prime suspects are Caleb and Riley.

Arguments for Caleb:

-- he's been shown twice in the comics (in this issue and in Buffy's dreamspace in issue 3)
-- he knows "Buffy's move" when she tries to use the technique she used to kill Caleb
-- Caleb is a preacher and Buffy/Twilight fight is heavy with church props and there is even a direct reference (Buffy: "Church me")

Arguments against Caleb:

-- I find it hard to imagine him aknowledging that "one girl was OK"

-- Twilight's cool boots are his trademark feature and Caleb wore shoes in season 7



Arguments for Riley

-- Although he isn't mentioned by name, there is a lot of indirect Riley presence in this issue. Twilight's arrival is forestalled with Buffy recalling her dream in Restless (Buffy to Satsu: "You look like me in a dream I had one time")




RILEY: (offscreen) Thought you were looking for your friends. Okay, killer... if that's the way you want it. I guess you're on your own. (Walks off.)

-- later Buffy mentions Riley among "people who died" - - "they start letting vamps suck on 'em and they leave"

-- Joss has promised Riley's return

Arguments against Riley

-- character-wise, it doesn't make sense (then again does Buffy robbing banks make sense?)

2. Mole identity.

I can't see anybody but Renee as a mole.

Story-wise, it's very Jossian. Renee as a traitor will provide Xander with a heartbreak big enough to satisfy Joss.

Character-wise, it doesn't add up: she sounds very sweet and sincerely in love with Xander. But I can't help remembering Knox on Joss-penned AtS episode A Hole in the World. He also was sweet and sounded sincere in his love for Fred. Joss even included him in a powershot of the characters going with the mission of saving Fred. And several scenes later a slip of tongue betrayed him as a man who killed her. Typical Joss.

So - any ideas?

Comments

[shapinglight]

:Blinks:

Joss said Riley would come back? When was this?

[thedeadlyhook.livejournal.com]

Giles? He flies, therefore there's some magic involved, right?

[stormwreath.livejournal.com]

I'm still open-minded on who the mole will be... but after seeing Renee wearing black leather trousers in this episode, she's shot right to the top of the list. :-)

Plus, remember how pre-planned her approach is; she's been studying comic books, drywalling, etc, to make herself into the sort of person Xander would be attracted to.

Cute or sinister? You decide.
(Of course, it could be both cute and sinister. In the Buffyverse, that's practically normal...)

[2maggie2.livejournal.com]

Scott Allie on his Q&A was asked what the last names of the new slayers were, and he said that he didn't. Except that Renee's last name might have been floated around.

There's only one other last name that's shown up in the comics, and that's Lt. Molter. So Allie's remarks make it sound *very* likely that the man on the inside is Renee.

I'm hoping that it's an unwitting role, wherein her mother/sister/female relative extracts information from her in the course of ordinary conversation. Cause I like Renee. (And this is my discomfort with the new medium. It's hard enough to feel vested in the new comic-only characters. If it turns out that one who has been portrayed sympathetically was really just totally lying, it makes it harder to feel drawn in by the sympathetic drawings of other characters. Cause, you know, the drawings count for zero. (Renee hasn't a suspicious look in her repertoire that I've seen).

[the-darkstar.livejournal.com]

I also have the feeling that it *might* be Riley. However, I don't think this add up really. How should that work.

It seems to be a male person, though.

Just for the record:
Could be OZ as well...

[the-darkstar.livejournal.com]

Wow - the dream sentence was a reference to RESTLESS.
I am a hardcore Buffy-fan, but it did not came to my mind.
But I guess you're right!

[mrs-underhill.livejournal.com]

I agree Caleb seems the most likely candidate, but I'd hate for it be him. He was over-the-top and boring, and he's dead. Maybe it's the First merging with someone else?
And I don't think it's Riley.

Also this issue made me doubt the Twilight's original claim that its goal is to destroy all magic. Now it seems to be reverting the change brought by Buffy. By trying to break the chain, and now, as we can see, by demoralizing Buffy instead of killing her. Strange, but I can see an ambigous guy in this role, the guy who thinks he's a good guy and is doing the right thing.

Giles seems more likely in this role. Also maybe it would explain how he could find a spell so fast in that Twilight manual, to destroy Roden. Maybe he already knew the spell? Also we saw Giles already bitching about there being too many Slayers, and the shifting of balance. I'll go with Giles for a time being, and his betrayal would be the closest and unexpected, even after his previous betrayals. Because previous betrayals he either regretted and amended for, or did them for Buffy's own good, as he saw it.

[pen-romantic.livejournal.com]

Ok I do think it is Caleb because the scene in this last issue was pretty much ointless other that remember his existance

I however think Riley will be above (rank wise) being all govermenty like... plus it is so like Joss... big bad going straight the next season (Spike season 2 and 4 and tehn in 5, 6 ,7 ) , and good guy becoming big bad the next one (Angel season 1 and season 2)

I for one don't want to see Xander heart broken again (although we all know it is inevitable) but maybe there will be someone heart broken enough to have a revenge demon summoned and ANYA is back..... yes I am still hoping for her to show