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BtVS issue 13.

In Dracula's castle Xander and Dracula exchange compliments about their looks. In Buffy's castle Andrew, clad in George Hamilton's outfit from Love at First Bite tells other slayers the story of Xander and Dracula - the one Goddard wrote back in 2004 ("Antique"). Buffy gets news from a Japanese slayer, Aiko, that the leader of Japanese vampires, Toru, may be the one who has stolen the scythe. Buffy gives an order: they all go to Japan. Meanwhile Dracula recalls that his magic powers could have been stolen when he was gambling for a motorcycle "at a Tibetan speakeasy". "I risked my very soul to attain them," he laments and agrees to help. Meanwhile, in a military cargo plane Willow tries to make Satsu reveal the details of her and Buffy's love life. "What she's like in the sack? ... Did she make that high-pitched squeal? I call it her "shoe-sale noise". Meanwhile the writers decide to remind us (just in case) that Vampires Are Bad. In Tokyo vampires Toru and Kumiko kill Aiko: using the scythe, Kumiko makes slayer's force "get away" and Toru feeds on her. "I think it’s time we take this technology global," Kumiko exclaims.

I laughed. Loudly. Then I met with some former and current Buffy fans who watched the show but don't read comics. We sat in a small cellar restaurant, I was retelling them issue 13 and they all were laughing. Obviously, that was the whole point of the issue. Sure, Aiko's death is very gruesome, but she's a redshirt, so who cares. This arc is dumb, cheesy fun and, obviously, writers relish the opportunity to laugh at the mythology which, frankly, is pretty silly when you start to dissect it.

The soul thing. I am sure that back in season 2 when Joss has devised the whole Angel\Angelus dichotomy, he was sure that season 2 will be the last. The trick worked OK as a metaphor of a good-boyfriend-turned-bad-after-sex, but on a plot level it was pure crack - and, obviouly Joss understood that fact perfectly. He tried to keep consistency but in the end he gave up and let Goddard turn the soul issue into a joke in The Girl in Question. Now the subversion continues with the introduction of Dracula's soul.

I wonder Goddard means a demonic soul, like the ones that vampires used to have in season 1. [livejournal.com profile] stormwreath suggests that Goddard could just mention a soul as a figure of speech (I doubt it. The word "soul" is highlighted.) While [livejournal.com profile] mrs_underhill thinks that Dracula got his magic powers when he was still human (I provide the link to our discussions on Russian Diaries - just in case). But [livejournal.com profile] beer_good_foamy offers the best explanation - season 8 happens in Andrew's fanfiction.

I'm afraid that's all I can say about the issue. I tried hard to come up with something insightful or, at least, sensible. Something about parallels between Buffy and Dracula, who are both isolated in their respective castles. But I just can't analyse the arc seriously. I think the best approach is to relax and laugh together with the writers.

Angel: After the Fall, issue 6

In prologue and epilogue telepathic fish Betta George recalls its own tribulations. The main body consists of three isolated stories - of Spike, Connor and Lorne - during that fateful night in NFA. All the three of them are suddenly teleported in a different place in (seemingly) LA.

Spike, not unlike Angel, finds himself on the roof of a building. And, not unlike Angel, he also is "rebooted" for the lack of better word - his wounds are gone and even his duster is as good as new. First he thinks he got his reward - peaceful life to enjoy. Then he notices demons, fights them, sees unconscious Fred at the foot of the building. She wears the same clothes she had in AHITW. When she regains consciousness, she doesn't know what happened after her death. Several women pursued by demons ask Spike to protect them. When the fight starts, Fred turns into Illyria. Spike realises that he has to forget about his retirement plans.

Connor is also "rebooted" - he finds himself elsewhere in LA and he realises that he remembers everything from the moment of his birth. "I'm not only immaculate vampire baby, I'm also Oedipus." Не sees a horde of demons approaching and hides. But demons find him and decide to kill. To be continued.

Looks like Lorne is the only character who hasn't been teleported. At least there is no mention of teleportation. Lorne arrived to Silverlake in "a taxi with a face". He started singing and people got inspired by his songs and fought demons valiantly. Then a sorceress' spell has cleared Silverlake of demons and people has chosen Lorne as their leader. "Lorne got his groove back right after the fall".

In a way, issue 6 is a letdown. Any flashback right after a cliffhanger would be a letdown. We desperately want to know what happens next and it's inhuman to keep us waiting for several months. That said, issue 6 offers an intriguing glimpse into the events of that night. Obviously, Angel, Spike, Fredliria and Connor have been teleported, roughly at the same time. They all underwent serious changes in the process: Angel turned human, Spike got healed, Connor got all his memories back, Illyria got the ability to turn into Fred (not just shape-shift, but acquire different personality). I tried to figure out why Lorne hasn't underwent neither teleportation nor major changes. Here's what I came up with. 1. He's a creature from another dimension. 2. He's officially parted ways with Angel at the moment of the battle. 3. Lynch hasn't found rhymes to describe his teleportation. The third option looks the most probable.

I loved Spike's story, felt underwhelmed by Connor's story and was a bit baffled by Lorne's story.

Spike dreaming about retirement is funny, his discovery of Fred is incredibly poignant and his quick realisation that the fight goes on is the best bookend of his story. No matter how short it is, it's packed with important events, essential for understanding of the next installments. Also, it has a beginning, a culmination and the logical conclusion. Plus, Messina draws great Spike.

Connor's story ends with a cliffhanger so it's hard to judge its plot until we find out how he escaped from demons and became a leader of people in Santa Monica. It doesn't help that I'm not a fan of Mooney's style, to put it mildly. Thankfully he uses processed screencaps of Amy Acker and Charisma Carpenter for flashbacks - but his Connor looks plain ugly.

And, finally, Lorne. Love the idea to tell his story in rhymes, but, frankly, I'm amazed how easily Lynch got him off the hook. Peaceful Lorne has killed a man. And all the consequences get limited to one line about "much inner pain, sorrow and strife". That's it?

When we were speculating about possible developments of Lorne's story, I suggested that it could be murder that had promoted Lindley to the status of lord. And that such "honor" would be intolerable to Lorne. But it seems that writers don't see anything particularly horrible in his behavior. Maybe I'm overreacting. I adore Lindsey and his death was one of the biggest shocks to me, so maybe it's just me forgetting about suspension-of-disbelief attitude.

Random observations and questions.

The moment when Spike teleports, there is something sharp and deadly inches away from his throat. Looks like he got teleported as soon as he was on the verge of death. Or it was just a coincidence?

While other characters got teleported without visual effects, Fredliria arrives in a magic circle. A sign that PTB did something different in her case or a simple plot necessity (the flames of the magic circle as a way to bring Spike's attention to that singular unconscious woman in darkness)?

Lorne's interpretation of season 5 events is *very* metaphorical. Could it mean that the rest of his story is also told by the same unreliable narrator and should be regarded accordingly?

ETA. Just read [livejournal.com profile] flake_sake's pet theory that "all of them got something back that they lost in the deal with W&H. Angel's shanshu, Connor's full memory, Fred's soul and so on" and it occurred to me that they all got their former abilities in the enhanced mode.

Angel not only got back his humanity but also turned human. Connor got back not only the usual human memories, but he has got superhuman memories of everything that ever happened to him. Lorne got back so much groove that his singing now inspires regular people to slay demons. Fred returned enhanced by Illyria's power.

But as it happens in RL, their extra powers brought them a lot of trouble.

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Date: 2008-04-10 12:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] elisi
it occurred to me that they all got their former abilities in the enhanced mode.
Hmmm. Interesting.

Don't have time for much more I'm afraid, but I liked your review.

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Date: 2008-04-10 01:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
Thanks! At the first sight issue 6 looks like simple connecting the dots, but there is a possibility of some hidden clues within the stories.

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Date: 2008-04-10 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrs-underhill.livejournal.com
Moscow, Lorne didn't inspire people with his singing: he hit a high-pitched note which blew up couple of demons. Remember he did similar thing in The House Always Wins, and he helped Lindsey with his high note in their NFA assignment. You can see it in the comic: he hits the note, and the demon attacking a man and his family bursts up as the result.

Otherwise agree about everything, especially about getting Lorne off the hook. Lorne's story is so far the most dissapointing for me: he gets it too easy and I keep hoping there's a catch somewhere. But probably not, and Lorne always was shallow and adaptable, anyway. But here the part which baffled me the most was the sorceress. That's cheating!

Also I think that Spike and Illyria reboots might still happen because of W&H, because of W&H plans for both of them. Why Spike got cured? That's I'd like to know.

Hmm, so Fred and Cordy were from the screencaps? I quite like the art in Connor's story, but those panels I liked the best. Hmm.

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Date: 2008-04-10 08:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
Lorne didn't inspire people with his singing: he hit a high-pitched note which blew up couple of demons. Remember he did similar thing in The House Always Wins, and he helped Lindsey with his high note in their NFA assignment.

I totally forgot about it! Thanks for reminding. I've got the impression that it was about inspirational songs that gave people hope.

But here the part which baffled me the most was the sorceress. That's cheating!

The sorceress that cleared the place for humans and then went away has definitely arrived from some fairy tale! :)

Why Spike got cured?

*shrugs* My dream scenario is Buffy arriving, saving him and healing with her slayer blood. But in her absence PTB may step in. :)

Hmm, so Fred and Cordy were from the screencaps?

Coudn't find Cordy's screencap, although I remember I saw it. But I found Fred (the end of Lullaby)

Image (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v671/MoscowWatcher/Misc/?action=view&current=Fred_Lullaby.jpg)

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Date: 2008-04-10 02:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shapinglight
Great review, Moscow. I know lots of people are troubled by how easily Lorne got over his angst but yours and [livejournal.com profile] flake_sake's theory about the enhanced abilities would make sense of it. Lorne is, in general, an incurable optimist, so if his abilities were enhanced, it would make sense that he get over this awful trauma with unlikely speed.

However, since Lorne's story is couched like a fairytale, right down to the dea ex machina sorceress, I'm not sure whether we're ever supposed to take it as true. Personally, I suspect we are and that Brian just prefers Lorne happy, which is why he dealt with the Lindsey angst in such a perfunctory manner.

I agree that Spike's little story was both the best-written and best-drawn of the three, though I would feel short-changed by it if I didn't know we were getting Spike: After the Fall. As for the Connor story, I didn't like the art, but the story itself is very interesting. Looking forward to part 2.

Re: BtVS season 8 no 13. Word, as they say.

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Date: 2008-04-10 09:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
Thanks!

Lorne is, in general, an incurable optimist, so if his abilities were enhanced, it would make sense that he get over this awful trauma with unlikely speed.

Interesting observation. I had the impression that by "getting the groove back" writers meant Lorne's ability to inspire people. But mrs_underhill explaihed me that it's rather about Lorne's ability to make demons burst when he hits high notes. (I had to check "groove" in the dictionary; ithe word has so many meanings I'm a bit disoriented :)

But if you're right and Lorne's "reboot" was about getting over killing, has he been just brainwashed?
I doubt, however, that Lynch intended it that way. I agree that he loves Lorne and wants to see him happy.

I agree that Connor's story is interesting, but I can't understand where it goes. Is getting enhanced memories important to the plot and character development? If yes, then how? If no, then why?

Hopefully we'll find out in a month.

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Date: 2008-04-10 09:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] flake-sake.livejournal.com
It's always great to read your thoughts on the comics and thank you very much for petting my pet theory and enhancing it.

I agree very much on Buffy #13. It reminds a bit of when I first saw "The girl in question", it's not exactly satisfying for my fannish needs but it's fun.

I think that you have a point there with Lorne, contrary to other characters he has had a really fast redemption. If I apply my theory here it was his innocence or moral integrity that he sacrificed in the deal with W&H. So that he gets it back in a fingersnip might actually be unnatural.
Also it does look like he's more powerful now. In issue four there is this singing harpy that keeps the people in silverlake happy. They say about her "She was a struggling performance artist before we all went to hell, but our Lord helped her to tap into her inner harpy." This sounds to me a bit as if Lorne transformed a human into a harpy, but it could mean nothing at all.

Lorne's interpretation of season 5 events is *very* metaphorical. Could it mean that the rest of his story is also told by the same unreliable narrator and should be regarded accordingly?
I think so. Hope we'll get a look at parts of it from the normal perspective too, I still want that sorceress explained.

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Date: 2008-04-10 10:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
Thanks!

They say about her "She was a struggling performance artist before we all went to hell, but our Lord helped her to tap into her inner harpy." This sounds to me a bit as if Lorne transformed a human into a harpy, but it could mean nothing at all.

I also couldn't understand if we're supposed to take it seriously or as a joke.

Lorne's story is very whimsical, it reads as fairy-tale. I wonder if Lynch has chosen this particular style to get a creative licence for getting Lorne off the hook as quickly as possible.

If that's the case, I doubt we'll get any explanation of the sorceress or the absence of serious consequences fo a killing.

But I hope that Lynch will dig deeper in later issues.

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Date: 2008-04-11 10:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] flake-sake.livejournal.com
I also couldn't understand if we're supposed to take it seriously or as a joke.
I think it sure had a story behind it but from the way they told it, a lot of things could happened.

But I hope that Lynch will dig deeper in later issues.
Yes, me too. I'm optimistic. Brian did a brilliant job so far.

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Date: 2008-04-10 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jgracio.livejournal.com
About Buffy 13, I'd like to join in and laugh at the crack.

But alas I see it as little more than confirmation that the writers aren't interested in Xander as a serious character, at least as Xander and not as Buffy and Dawn's support system.

That's okay. But it leaves me with a book where I don't like the main character, where I don't really care about most other characters and where the characters I care about won't really get serious storylines.

I could still enjoy these books if Joss Whedon was a good "story" writer, instead of a character writer. But JW stories are the characters. The fights, the villains, how they deal with the bad guys, how they change the world, etc, etc, doesn't really matter, what matters is how the characters feel, how they change, are they connected, are they happy, etc.

And if I don't care about the characters...

I might be wrong, but at the moment I'm pretty sure this will be my last Buffy arc. At the end of the day, it's entertainment, and if the best these books can get out of me is a sense of "This used to be so good", well, not really worth it. I'd rather read fanfiction by writers I like.

Still two books to go...

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Date: 2008-04-10 11:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
But alas I see it as little more than confirmation that the writers aren't interested in Xander as a serious character, at least as Xander and not as Buffy and Dawn's support system.

To be fair, the biggest part of Xander's screentime on TV show was also dedicated to being Buffy and Dawn's support system. And the majority of Xander-centric episodes were comedies.

Question is, could writers find a way to develop him in some interestring direction? And I don't think it should necessarily happen in Xander-centric episode. To me, best Xander development happened on Selfless, and it was Anya-centric episode.

I'm curious if writers plan for Xander is to change his attitude to vampires. His dislike of Angel and then Spike was the essential trait of his character. (although he mellowed towards Spike by the end of season 7). Now, with vampire!Gunn trying to make good on AtF and Dracula helping Buffy on BtVS characters' attitude to vampires may become the focus of this season's morals. So maybe this cheesy story portends some serious stuff.

Hopefully you'll go on reading season 8.

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Date: 2008-04-11 10:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jgracio.livejournal.com
Question is, could writers find a way to develop him in some interestring direction?

If they're interested in the character, and haven't pegged him into a single never changing role (like comic relief), sure. Lots of fanfic writers do it. As long as there's a will.

And I wouldn't get my hopes high on vampire!Gunn ending up as a good guy. Not if what Amy Acker has said remains true.

Also, notice all the "nice" racist remarks from Dracula. They're not in the story for nothing. They're there to remind the readers that he's still the bad guy, that he's not Angel, or Spike.

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Date: 2008-04-11 10:42 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
And I wouldn't get my hopes high on vampire!Gunn ending up as a good guy. Not if what Amy Acker has said remains true.

Still, he wants to be a good guy and to save them all. It's something new for Jossverse.

Also, notice all the "nice" racist remarks from Dracula.

Sure, but they're residuals of his human self. Real Count Dracula fought Moslems in XY century.

Your remark made me wonder if Joss has intentionally made Renee black in anticipation of Xander-Dracula interaction to mirror Dracula' prejudices against race and Xander's prejudice against vampires in general.

Then again, it may be nothing but my fanwank... :)

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Date: 2008-04-11 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jgracio.livejournal.com
Harmony also thought she could be good. It didn't went very well. And while you might disagree, seeing how S6 went, the writers were also saying souless Spike couldn't be good as he wanted to be.

And the day JW mirrors real world prejudice with "prejudice" against vampires in the Buffyverse (it's not prejudice, much like it's impossible to be prejudiced against tigers or lions or sharks), is the day I start asking why is JW saying race X are evil bloodthirsty killers who deserve to be killed.

Like I've said before and in other places, the Buffyverse can't support that kind of comparisons, if you start seeing vampires as a representation of gays or blacks or poor people or any group you want to, you must then see Buffy as the representation of someone who kills that same group for fun.

But you're free to fanwank / interpret it anyway you like.

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Date: 2008-04-11 12:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
Well, I call my specs "fanwank" because I realise that it may be colored by my national baggage. I live in a country that still demonises gays and I meet people who wants gays to be sent to prisons and executed - and these people consider themselves good guys. I think my everyday experience influences my perception of Jossverse.

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Date: 2008-04-13 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faechick.livejournal.com
Hi, I just thought I'd pop in with this:

If you're right, and the Angel crew came to Hell with things they lost back in spades, and IF Gunn is included in this crew (this is assuming that they went to Hell prior to Gunn's death).... What did Gunn get? And does it still stick around even now that Gunn is a vamp?

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Date: 2008-04-13 02:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
If you're right, and the Angel crew came to Hell with things they lost back in spades, and IF Gunn is included in this crew (this is assuming that they went to Hell prior to Gunn's death).... What did Gunn get? And does it still stick around even now that Gunn is a vamp?

Yes, I thought about it too. Well, it could be part of his humanity, lost and returned. His behavior is very unusual for a regular vampire. Maybe his demonic soul is injected with humanity.

It also could be his leadership. His disposition was that of a leader before he became a corporate executive. Maybe he has got his leadership back enhanced.

I can't wait to find out!

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Date: 2008-04-11 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ntshpp.livejournal.com
Привет.

Насчет душ демонов - ИМХО, никаких душонок (ни человеческих, ни демонских) у их нет и не было. В первом сезоне это было просто такое выражение, а в седьмом - дезинформация Дхофрина (или скорее Годарда).

Я уже для себя всё решил и мне смешно смотреть как эти болваны активно обсуждают это безобразие (меня тошнит от воплей "incredible!", "amazing issue!", "the best so far!" в Ведонеске). Напиши Джосси например завтра как Баффи и Уиллоу с Ёжиком и Медвежонком отправляются в Тилимилитрямбию, они бы и это проглотили.

"Пипл хавает!" - девиз Джосса Ведона.

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Date: 2008-04-11 09:24 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
Мне кажется, от комиксов (по крайней мере, от текущей истории) можно получать удовольствие, если не пытаться искать в них что-то глубокое и важное. Ведь там действительно много забавных моментов. Другое дело, что фаны порой наполняют комиксы своим особым смыслом, о котором создатели и не догадывались. И тогда для них это становится incredible! :) И, кстати, не стоит называть людей болванами только потому, что им что-то нравится. Сколько людей - столько и мнений.

А насчет "пипл хавает" - я тут пересматрикала отдельные серии 1-2 сезона, благо их по ТВ показывали. И глупостей в них - навалом. Но вместе с тем смотрится очаровательно. Как раз восьмой сезон по настроению очень напоминает первый. Школа, дела сердечные, опереточные злодеи, смешные диалоги. Простенько и со вкусом. Пипл хавал первый сезон, пипл хавает восьмой. А для большинства моих знакомых вне фандома весь сериал "Баффи" - дешевая, низколобая развлекуха, которая существует только потому, что пипл хавает. И я знаю, что их не переубедить. Поэтому и Вас переубеждать не буду.

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Date: 2008-04-11 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ntshpp.livejournal.com
Простите, но комикс и в подмётки не годится первому сезону (который я оченно люблю). И ни вам, ни кому бы то ни было, не переубедить меня, что *ЭТО* "очередной великолепный шедевр" от "нашего бога".

Я... я продолжу скачивать выпуски... не то, что мне очень уж нравится... нет, совсем наоборот. Но это всё же "Баффи". Или нет...

Будто, дорогой тебе человек дарит на долгожданный День Рождения подарок - ты разворачиваешь, а там сломанный китайский тостер.

Спасибо, что ответили.

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Date: 2008-04-16 10:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunnykitten.livejournal.com
А для большинства моих знакомых вне фандома весь сериал "Баффи" - дешевая, низколобая развлекуха, которая существует только потому, что пипл хавает.

Спасибо вам огромное. У большинства моих знакомых ситуация та же, и я чувствую себя просто великовозрастной идиоткой (при этом, что забавно, работает это же большинство знакомых, включая и меня, в игровой индустрии). А с человеком, который меня в фандом привел, не поговорить, потому что он Ангела терпеть не может. :(

С другой стороны, есть же старая байка про Артура Кларка, которому фаны популярно объяснили, что он ничего не смыслит в произведениях Артура Кларка...

По существу же AatF - 1) меня очень тревожит трансформация Ангела, особенно ее далеко идущие последствия для здоровья, не говоря уже о том, как она не вовремя. Не первый раз уже тот или иной герой получает сбычу мечт (как любовь, ребенка или суперинтеллект) и потом эта самая сбыча приносит с собой огромные неприятности и необходимость круто менять жизнь. Хотя мне было бы очень интересно сделать Ангела инвалидом и посмотреть, как он будет вставать на ноги, оставшись без своей палочки-выручалочки - физических сверхспособностей.

2) И очень, очень интересно посмотреть, что будет с Ганном, которого наверняка Команда так просто не бросит. Сколько они с обеих сторон наломают дров, порвут нервов и положат жизней.

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Date: 2008-04-16 01:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
с человеком, который меня в фандом привел, не поговорить, потому что он Ангела терпеть не может. :(

Могу порекомендовать несколько мест:
Русское сообщество по "Баффи" в Дайриках (правда, там есть люди, которые не любят Ангела, но в любом случае позитива там больше, чем негатива)
http://buffythevampireslayer.diary.ru/

Англоязычное сообщество по шестому сезону "Ангела
http://community.livejournal.com/angel6_atf/

Англоязычное сообщество по всем комиксам Джосса
http://community.livejournal.com/newly_legion/

AatF - 1) меня очень тревожит трансформация Ангела, особенно ее далеко идущие последствия для здоровья, не говоря уже о том, как она не вовремя. Не первый раз уже тот или иной герой получает сбычу мечт (как любовь, ребенка или суперинтеллект) и потом эта самая сбыча приносит с собой огромные неприятности и необходимость круто менять жизнь.

Меня, честно говоря, здоровье героев не особенно беспокоит - Джосс над ними измывается уже много лет, они привыкли. :) Я очеть сильно подозреваю, что в конце сезона Ангел снова станет вампиром. И конечно же, в этот момент он и узнает, что его человеческое состояние было не наказанием, а шаншу, которое он профукал. Очень по-джоссовски. В любом случае, вряд ли он оставит его человеком. Хотя, с другой стороны, когда Иллирия переносит его в будущее, он выглядит старым. А с третьей стороны (сколько их, таких сторон? :) все это можно будет списать на "предыдущую линию времени" или еще что-нибудь в этом роде.

Хотя мне было бы очень интересно сделать Ангела инвалидом и посмотреть, как он будет вставать на ноги, оставшись без своей палочки-выручалочки - физических сверхспособностей.

Ну, не знаю. Для жанра героической фантазии подобные повороты сюжета допустимы максимум на 1-2 серии (выпуска). Правда, во втором сезоне Спайк полсезона провел в инвалидном кресле, но, во-первых, он тогда был плохим парнем, а во-вторых, сцен с его участием было раз, два и обчелся. Может быть, Линч сделает 1-2 флэшбека Ангела-инвалида в комиксах.

И очень, очень интересно посмотреть, что будет с Ганном, которого наверняка Команда так просто не бросит. Сколько они с обеих сторон наломают дров, порвут нервов и положат жизней.

Да, Ганн сегодня - самый интригующий персонаж. Мне ужасно интересно, связано ли его стремление стать спасителем с вмешательством Власть Предержащих. Или Джосс решил кардинально пересмотреть отношение к вампирам.

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Date: 2008-04-16 07:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cordykitten
*waves* I saw on my F-List that's your birthday even if it isn't mentioned at your user profile. I don't do birthday post at IJ nor do I get notifications so I didn't notice either, I've added you there but not here.
Have a good one! Best wishes for your birthday.

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Date: 2008-04-16 07:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
*Waves back!*
Thank you, honey!
*hugs and smoochies*

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Date: 2008-05-07 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darynthe.livejournal.com
Teletransported just before death? That is pretty much a Deux ex machina thing. Mmm, not sure it is a good idea.

I am pretty much dissapointed in general. I saw a cover that seems to be a Ilyria/Spike relationship. Wherever that came from I wonder??????

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Date: 2008-05-07 09:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] moscow-watcher.livejournal.com
Teletransported just before death? That is pretty much a Deux ex machina thing. Mmm, not sure it is a good idea.

Looks like they all were teleported at the same time. Maybe it's a hint that they are in another dimension now.

I am pretty much dissapointed in general. I saw a cover that seems to be a Ilyria/Spike relationship. Wherever that came from I wonder??????

I agree, Spike-Illyria cover is weird. It's supposed to be a flashback. While in present timeline, on Angel: After the Fall, their relationships doesn't look romantic at all. But it could be just a pretty pic to attract comics buyers. We'll see.

I'm philosophical about shipping stuff on BtVS\AtS - nobody gets a happy ending, so let's enjoy what we have. :)

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