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Plot: Kennedy is sent to Japan to evaluate Satsu's leadership. Together they catch a monster, who tried to abduct a fluffy vampire!kitten toy. Without second thoughts slayers take their trophy into their bedroom. At night the alien parasite toy gets into Satsu's body through her mouth. In the morning Satsu puts on a kimono and proclaims that she should turn into a normal girl who makes babies. Kennedy realises that the slayer is possessed; she fights with her and literally kicks the vampy kitten out of Satsu's body. Turns out Satsu had already revealed the new location of Buffy's castle to the toy who telepathically sent the coordinates to other vampy kittens. The corporation that produces evil kittens sends a shipload of them to Scotland. Space marines Slayers attack aliens vampy kittens and destroy the Alien Queen The Swell who belches misogynistic crap. To beat the monster, Satsu uses Korean submarine she "took back from vamps". Right before death The Swell tells that he works for Twilight. Back in Scotland Buffy watches Harmony-the-vampire-rights-spokeswoman, complaining on TV about evil slayers who kill fluffy toys. Buffy decides to "keep low profile" and "focus to be more than human, or the less-then is gonna win".

Steven DeKnight, what happened to you? You used to write the most brilliant ("Dead Things", "Seeing Red") and creepy ("Hellbound") episodes on BtVS and AtS. How come that you wrote a story with with "mwahaha, I'm evil!" villains, dubious metaphors, characters irrational behavior and enormous amount of squick?

No, I'm serious. Here's examples of dialogs:

"Mmm babies! We should make some like normal girls instead of running around hitting people!"
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"We're nothing but a bunch of self-righteous little ovaries! "
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"Get in her mouth, get in her --!"
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"Eat their ****ing ovaries!"


Apparently it's supposed to sound funny. I read a suggestion that ludicrous dialogues are parodying anime subtitles. Maybe. Maybe not.
There is a great post by [livejournal.com profile] shadowcat67 where she talks about subjective and one objective analysis of text. One of the issues she discusses: has the writer failed if the plot and intent are not clear to the reader or audience. She says it much, much better than I could say it, so you may read it in her LJ.

Back to #22: the majority of reviewers saw vampy kittens as a reference to popular Japanese toys and The Swell as a homage to manga monsters. My first impression was that it's a parody/retelling/rip-off of Alien movies (Joss wrote a script to one of them 12 years ago). But the funniest interpretation I know goes back to "Kittens jihad" - shipper wars back in 2002, when Willow/Tara shippers, known as Kittens, unleashed a war against ME writers for killing off Tara and proclaimed that her death caused a great damage to gay and lesbian community. So, the issue about two lesbians overcoming a bunch of evil Kittens could also be a wink to the fandom by DeKnight who wrote the episode that featured Tara's death.

I don't want to recycle other reviewers' complaints about Buffy's unexplainable stupidity, although her decision to keep the submarine surpasses even her bank-robbing activities. I'm not sure I understand correctly DeKnight's metaphors and references. For example, I find dubious the idea of demonic possession manifested in the desire to wear national clothes and have children. But I can't understand if it's a clumsy plot device to signal us that something in wrong with Satsu, or a reference to some mangas, or an insight into Japanese culture I don't get.

I have to confess that after reading that issue I wanted to go and have a shower. It squicked me. The scene where vampy kittens break out of human bodies was particularly squicky. The plot about vampy kittens vaguely resemble Lynch's Shadow Puppets, but in Lynch' story little monsters are stuffed and they don't get into human bodies. They're reasonably creepy - evil but not repugnant. In The Swell we see a legion of vampy kittens who penetrate human bodies through mouths, suck them dry and then burst out ot cavity chests. I mean - how disturbing it is?

But I read other fans' responses and nobody seems disgusted. Maybe I'm just unaccustomed to to mangas? Does it often happens in mangas?

In any case, this is an issue I want to forget ASAP.

In other news, during recent Q&As Scott Allie admitted that "what's important for Season Eight is understanding how corruption/compromise has affected Buffy" so now we know for sure that bank-robbing and submarine-stealing was intended to spell: B-u-f-f-y I-s W-r-o-n-g.

I wonder how Joss plans to resolve the situation. To make a spell that takes away all slayer power? To banish slayers from Earth dimension? To put them under government control? Or maybe Joss wants to end the season with Buffy and Scoobies arrested, while the world is succumbing to vampire rule? If vampires become a metaphor for media, this is pretty topical. :)

I'd love to finish my ramblings ans specs with a sentence without a question mark, but I'm afraid I don't have coherent conclusion. So, the last question: could anybody identify the green monster on Kennedy's t-shirt?

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Date: 2009-02-08 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xc-runner50.livejournal.com
Evil Kittens are just bad news...is it me or did Season 8 issue 22 out due the rest of the bad issue? Cuz I'm not liking this Issue at all, just terrible.

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Date: 2009-02-08 12:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shapinglight
Great review, Moscow - and I'd completely forgotten about the controversy over DeKnight and the death of Tara. As I recall, he went on the Kitten board and managed to insult a bunch of already very upset people.

Maybe this story is his way of saying sorry?

I find dubious the idea of demonic possession manifested in the desire to wear national clothes and have children

Yes, that's very odd.

Also, like you, I'm glad Allie's clarified that we are in fact supposed to find Buffy's behaviour 'off' and worrying. It doesn't say much for my trust in Joss etc, that I ever wondered if we were in fact supposed to think her perfectly justified in everything she did, but I did.

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Date: 2009-02-08 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aycheb.livejournal.com
The green monster is Oscar the Grouch from Sesame Street.

It’s kind of ironic the way so many of the complaints of heavy handedness in DeKnight’s depiction of misogynist homophobic monsters come from the same fandom that has been pitying the poor Slayers for having no men in their lives, castigating Buffy for being more focused on saving the world than going back home to attend to her baby sister and are adamant that misogyny is no part of Twilight’s agenda despite his explicitly gendered belittling of Buffy (just like a girl) and his acolytes’ constant reference to Slayers as if they were some kind of animal. They spawn (Voll), they’re ‘fillies’ (Roden) Buffy’s that bitch (the army woman) and that’s without even mentioning Warren’s opinions on the matter.

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Date: 2009-02-08 12:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stormwreath.livejournal.com
Thought-provoking review. ;-)

I read a suggestion that ludicrous dialogues are parodying anime subtitles. Maybe. Maybe not.

Have you seen the Dark Horse webcomic that accompanies this issue, also written by DeKnight?
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=218201811

"You are giantly rotund!" "And ill-smelling!" "Please remove your offensive presence!"

I don't know how obvous it would be to someone who doesn't have English as their first language but trust me: the dialogue is definitely a parody of badly-subtitled anime. The excessive violence, giant monsters, etc are also stereotypical.

The whole issue, to me, is similar; it's gloriously over-the-top, cartoony parody. I think it's quite deliberate. The current arc of the comic is five independent stories by five different writers, and I think they're using the opportunity to play around with different styles that might not fit into the more serious arc episodes.


I can't understand if it's a clumsy plot device to signal us that something in wrong with Satsu, or a reference to some mangas, or an insight into Japanese culture

Well, traditional Japanese culture is even stronger on the need for women to stay home, look decorative and have babies than American culture. Dressing Satsu up in an old-fashioned kimono is another signal that whoever was responsible for the Swell wants to turn back the clock. (That wasn't just 'national clothes', it was 'clothes people wore two centuries ago'. It's like the dress Buffy wore in 'Halloween', and had similar implications.)


To make a spell that takes away all slayer power? To banish slayers from Earth dimension?

I hope not. If the theme of the season is "Empowering these women has led to some of them using their power unwisely" I don't think offering the solution "And therefore it was a mistake to empower these women, and we should make them helpless again" would send a good message...

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Date: 2009-02-08 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswolf35.livejournal.com
Right now, I have a very dirty mind but I think I can solve the mystery of what the vampy cats really are. They're sperm or representations of sperm. That's why they're so obsessed with ovaries and when they possess women they make them think about having babies. I think it's just a dirty joke perpetrated on the Salchio Corporation, the Slayers, and Larry King Alive by Kumiko Ishiara with the help of Saga Vasuki *smirk*. Twilight just rolled his eyes and exploited the submarine stealing and piracy to make a blow against Slayers in the P.R. war. I agree not one of Deknight's best efforts.

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Date: 2009-02-08 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frenchani.livejournal.com
I don't read the comics but, reading you, I suddenly remember that kittens used to be in seaosn 6 a metaphor foreshadowing the Potentials of season 7 (drunk Buffy released the kittens, the Sharkman said that time is that make kittens grow into cats etc)so it's interesting to see evil kitten now...

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Date: 2009-02-08 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beer-good-foamy.livejournal.com
But I read other fans' responses and nobody seems disgusted. Maybe I'm just unaccustomed to to mangas? Does it often happens in mangas?

I have no idea if it had anything to do with manga, but frankly, I thought it was too silly to squick me. Like you, it mainly made me think of the Alien series, and while that's a pretty creepy concept, it's also become a little too commonplace to be creepy in and of itself.

now we know for sure that bank-robbing and submarine-stealing was intended to spell: B-u-f-f-y I-s W-r-o-n-g.

I never understood the people who were (and in some cases still are) arguing that Buffy's doing everything right; as far as I can tell, it's been pretty obvious since #8 at least that she's doing a bunch of things that always equal raising the Big Red Flag of Wrong in the Jossverse. I don't think it's supposed to be as simple as her simply being "wrong", though; it's supposed to look like a difficult situation where none of the alternatives really is 100% completely simple and good - which makes it all the more unfortunate that they've apparently decided not to show us any of the decisions that led her to this point, or exactly what the current situation is with "everyone" hating the Slayers, etc. Show us why Buffy does what she does as opposed to doing something else, and she might look more justified.

I wonder how Joss plans to resolve the situation.

I'm still pretty convinced there's some sort of epiphany coming. And I'm still pretty convinced that the longer we have to wait and the more they screw up in the meantime, the more eye-rolling it will cause. But we'll see.

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Date: 2009-02-08 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] powerofthebook.livejournal.com
I agree - the dialog is extremely squick-worthy, and very different from the show with the use of bleeped-out blue language. And 'girl-licker'?

I'm a tried and true fan of Deadwood and its 'one-f-word-per-minute' creative swearing, but seeing all these villains and Slayers cursing to beat the band is a little jarring.

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Date: 2009-02-08 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-scarletibis.livejournal.com
In The Swell we see a legion of vampy kittens who penetrate human bodies through mouths, suck them dry and then burst out ot cavity chests. I mean - how disturbing it is?
Isn't that what happened in the first three episodes of Angel? However, references to manga when everyone does not read it does not make for fun references, I'm sure. Then again, it worked on South Park...maybe it just doesn't translate well (the reference I mean) in comic books?

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Date: 2009-02-08 09:35 pm (UTC)
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Date: 2009-02-09 02:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] elisi
Lovely review. I've been stalking LJ, skimming people's thoughts on this issue, and I still struggle to find anything to redeem it. I'm debating with myself whether to keep reading to be honest - s8 is turning out to be yet another example of why creative people shouldn't be allowed to do whatever they want (the major example being George Lucas and his prequels of course).

The plot about vampy kittens vaguely resemble Lynch's Shadow Puppets, but in Lynch' story little monsters are stuffed and they don't get into human bodies. They're reasonably creepy - evil but not repugnant.
I found the whole kitty thing ridiculous - not the vampy kitten idea, which could be neat, except it just went completely haywire. 'Repugnant' is a good word. (Whereas Lynch's ninja puppets were just adorable and deadly. *pets them*)

Well, I guess we'll see if my masochistic curiosity gets the better of me when the next issue comes out. For now I'm very busy finishing the next chapter of my WIP...

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