isn't ruling the human world exactly what the Master wanted to do? With 'The Wish' there to show us what things would look like if he won? And Mayor Wilkins was a human sorceror who wanted to become the demonic ruler of humanity - much like Roden.
Master was a vampire, not a sorcerer. Vampires don't teleport, don't read minds, don't raise zombie armies, don't have the ability to end the world by the sheer force of will. Occasionally they use clumsy mojos (Judge, Acathla) but humans also use clumsy mojos (The Glove of Myhnegon, Trio's stuff) so vampires and humans are more or less even here.
I was talking about real wizards - D'Hoffrin, Lloyd, people at Coven. They never toyed with the idea of conquering humanity. So far BtVS resembled Harry Potter where human and magic world existed separately in the same space.
As to Mayor - good point, but I think he was an exception that only confirms the rule. Besides, he has never been depicted as a "true" wizard. He had no particular magic paraphernalia, he had never regarded himself as a sorcerer.
So far, all we've seen him do is teleport one specific person to his own location. The wording of his spell - "Bring the first of the last to me" - implies that that's all he can do.
You may be right. I suspect we'll never find out the exact scale of Roden's power and writers will intentionally keep it unclear to have some wiggling room when dealing with him. But, so far, Willow was the only person who could break through his barrier - and we know that Giles can be a very strong magician in an extreme situation.
It's the difference between a soldier carrying a big, powerful weapon, and his commanding officer armed with nothing but a map and a radio. Who's the most powerful?
You can take away a powerful weapon from a soldier but you can't take away magic abilities from a sorcerer.
For that matter, I think Gigi's the sort of person to make up stories about a tutor she disliked making sexual advances to her, just to get him fired.
Agree, there is a bit of manipulator in her.
In the previous issue she's discussing that very question with Dawn and Renee - she says that the radar can only warn them if there are bad guys approaching, and asks what they do to them once they arrive. Dawn, you'll notice, is casually ruthless; it's interesting that her sister gets asked the same question by Willow this issue, and is rather more ambivalent. It's obviously something that's bothering Willow a lot...
The question is if it's something writers consider important and these scattered lines about fighting against humans are a build-up for something serious; or we're supposed to suspend our disbelief and don't think much about it.
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Date: 2007-11-11 11:49 pm (UTC)Master was a vampire, not a sorcerer. Vampires don't teleport, don't read minds, don't raise zombie armies, don't have the ability to end the world by the sheer force of will. Occasionally they use clumsy mojos (Judge, Acathla) but humans also use clumsy mojos (The Glove of Myhnegon, Trio's stuff) so vampires and humans are more or less even here.
I was talking about real wizards - D'Hoffrin, Lloyd, people at Coven. They never toyed with the idea of conquering humanity. So far BtVS resembled Harry Potter where human and magic world existed separately in the same space.
As to Mayor - good point, but I think he was an exception that only confirms the rule. Besides, he has never been depicted as a "true" wizard. He had no particular magic paraphernalia, he had never regarded himself as a sorcerer.
So far, all we've seen him do is teleport one specific person to his own location. The wording of his spell - "Bring the first of the last to me" - implies that that's all he can do.
You may be right. I suspect we'll never find out the exact scale of Roden's power and writers will intentionally keep it unclear to have some wiggling room when dealing with him. But, so far, Willow was the only person who could break through his barrier - and we know that Giles can be a very strong magician in an extreme situation.
It's the difference between a soldier carrying a big, powerful weapon, and his commanding officer armed with nothing but a map and a radio. Who's the most powerful?
You can take away a powerful weapon from a soldier but you can't take away magic abilities from a sorcerer.
For that matter, I think Gigi's the sort of person to make up stories about a tutor she disliked making sexual advances to her, just to get him fired.
Agree, there is a bit of manipulator in her.
In the previous issue she's discussing that very question with Dawn and Renee - she says that the radar can only warn them if there are bad guys approaching, and asks what they do to them once they arrive. Dawn, you'll notice, is casually ruthless; it's interesting that her sister gets asked the same question by Willow this issue, and is rather more ambivalent. It's obviously something that's bothering Willow a lot...
The question is if it's something writers consider important and these scattered lines about fighting against humans are a build-up for something serious; or we're supposed to suspend our disbelief and don't think much about it.