I'm genuinely sorry about the stir I've inadvertently caused, but it's primarily the result of a lot of things I've said or done being taken out of context, being liberally interpreted, with motives applied to me that never existed.
Apparently, he still doesn't get it. It was this comment, in his own words - not taken out of context, that upset me (and I'm sure the majority of pro-Spike people who tried to engage him in dialogue on the thread):
The comments I've made about Spike having raped Buffy—and I'm happy to have anyone argue that with me—were made in response to the question of Buffy + Angel or Buffy + Spike. Yes, it is my opinion that Angel is her true love, and that every relationship that followed, including Spike—and Satsu, and Riley—pale in comparison to her love of Angel. This is a matter of opinion. I know some fans agree; I know some feel the opposite. The fact that Spike did what he did to her on that bathroom floor, to me, reflects on his love of her. If your sister met with that treatment at the hands of her boyfriend, would you judge? I think you would.
There is a big difference between an attempted action and a completed action. Spike attempted to engage in the type of sexcapades they hade been having for months, during which time, Buffy repeatedly said 'No", when she actually meant "Convince me". When SOULLESS Spike realized that this time, she really meant "No", he immediately stopped and felt shame and guilt - rather unprecedented for an unsouled vampire, wouldn't you think? Mr. Allie's throw-away line discussing "comments I've made about Spike having raped Buffy", were the words - and the attitude which those words implied - that infuriated fans.
The fact that Spike did what he did to her on that bathroom floor, to me, reflects on his love of her. Yes, Mr. Allie, it certainly does reflect on his love for her. The fact that Spike did what her did - when he realized she meant "No", he stopped. He stopped and left in shame, and went to earn back his soul to be the kind of man who would never inadvertently do that again, because he realized that he made a mistake and he didn't currently possess the moral compass he hoped his soul would give him. To go through all that - he must really have loved her, right, Mr. Allie?
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I'm genuinely sorry about the stir I've inadvertently caused, but it's primarily the result of a lot of things I've said or done being taken out of context, being liberally interpreted, with motives applied to me that never existed.
Apparently, he still doesn't get it. It was this comment, in his own words - not taken out of context, that upset me (and I'm sure the majority of pro-Spike people who tried to engage him in dialogue on the thread):
The comments I've made about Spike having raped Buffy—and I'm happy to have anyone argue that with me—were made in response to the question of Buffy + Angel or Buffy + Spike. Yes, it is my opinion that Angel is her true love, and that every relationship that followed, including Spike—and Satsu, and Riley—pale in comparison to her love of Angel. This is a matter of opinion. I know some fans agree; I know some feel the opposite. The fact that Spike did what he did to her on that bathroom floor, to me, reflects on his love of her. If your sister met with that treatment at the hands of her boyfriend, would you judge? I think you would.
There is a big difference between an attempted action and a completed action. Spike attempted to engage in the type of sexcapades they hade been having for months, during which time, Buffy repeatedly said 'No", when she actually meant "Convince me". When SOULLESS Spike realized that this time, she really meant "No", he immediately stopped and felt shame and guilt - rather unprecedented for an unsouled vampire, wouldn't you think? Mr. Allie's throw-away line discussing "comments I've made about Spike having raped Buffy", were the words - and the attitude which those words implied - that infuriated fans.
The fact that Spike did what he did to her on that bathroom floor, to me, reflects on his love of her. Yes, Mr. Allie, it certainly does reflect on his love for her. The fact that Spike did what her did - when he realized she meant "No", he stopped. He stopped and left in shame, and went to earn back his soul to be the kind of man who would never inadvertently do that again, because he realized that he made a mistake and he didn't currently possess the moral compass he hoped his soul would give him. To go through all that - he must really have loved her, right, Mr. Allie?