Thanks for doing this, Moscow. I feel a sudden urge to lock my Allie-related thread after this, since it's obvious he's checking it, but I'll resist. :P
The letter does improve things a bit, but I'm still seeing the double standards. "Angel and Spike are both making amends for things they've done", but Allie's comments on the attempted rape were "largely in reference to Spike's relationship with Buffy as compared to Angel's"? So, what, is Angel/Buffy superior to Spike/Buffy because he just tried to kill her instead of trying to rape her? Political correctness FTW.
In retrospect, most of my comments on Allie's possible influence on Joss were partly knee-jerk reactions and partly group mentality, but also had something to do with this:
Joss Whedon: The Angel/Cordelia [love story] had gone pretty much as far as we wanted to take it. Their romance was definitely not a popular move on our part, and I think with most fans.
Angel/Cordelia is one of my least favourite 'ships, but even so, I don't think it's unpopular "with most fans" -- I think that was just an assumption Joss made based on his creative's team's negativity towards it. So yeah, I did worry that he was going to make a similar assumption about Spike/Buffy based on constant exposure to Allie and Jeanty.
But instead of jumping 'ship, I pretty much jumped fandom a few days ago -- at least temporarily -- so I'm no longer bristling over Allie's comments. I do still think it's very nice of him to interact with us and (try to) clear various misconceptions; he should just be careful about giving his stamp of approval to opinions that have been drilled into us for years by the same people who label us "rapist lovers".
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The letter does improve things a bit, but I'm still seeing the double standards. "Angel and Spike are both making amends for things they've done", but Allie's comments on the attempted rape were "largely in reference to Spike's relationship with Buffy as compared to Angel's"? So, what, is Angel/Buffy superior to Spike/Buffy because he just tried to kill her instead of trying to rape her? Political correctness FTW.
In retrospect, most of my comments on Allie's possible influence on Joss were partly knee-jerk reactions and partly group mentality, but also had something to do with this:
Joss Whedon: The Angel/Cordelia [love story] had gone pretty much as far as we wanted to take it. Their romance was definitely not a popular move on our part, and I think with most fans.
Angel/Cordelia is one of my least favourite 'ships, but even so, I don't think it's unpopular "with most fans" -- I think that was just an assumption Joss made based on his creative's team's negativity towards it. So yeah, I did worry that he was going to make a similar assumption about Spike/Buffy based on constant exposure to Allie and Jeanty.
But instead of jumping 'ship, I pretty much jumped fandom a few days ago -- at least temporarily -- so I'm no longer bristling over Allie's comments. I do still think it's very nice of him to interact with us and (try to) clear various misconceptions; he should just be careful about giving his stamp of approval to opinions that have been drilled into us for years by the same people who label us "rapist lovers".